He soon renamed himself to Cincinnati Red and joined the National Wrestling Conference, where he debuted on March 17, 1995, in a three-on-one handicap match, which he, RJ Rodriguez and The Wild Renegade lost to SWAT.

[7] While on hiatus from in-ring competition, Daves and fellow wrestler Gary Key opened up The Grappler's Den, a wrestling school based in Oxnard, California.

In late 1999, Red and Key sold the IWF to fellow wrestler Steve "Navajo Warrior" Islas, who subsequently renamed the promotion to Impact Zone Wrestling.

After the sale of the IWF, Daves continued to teach in wrestling schools, with one of his most notable students being future world champion Samoa Joe.

[6] He made his second and final appearance for ASW two days later, where he and Joe Kimble lost to The British Legend of Doom and Zebra Kid in a tag team tables match.

On February 18, 2006, at The Battle At Bethel event, he made his in-ring return for the promotion under his Cincinnati Red name, where he and Greg Valentine defeated Syrus and Puma.